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Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.05.15 03:11:00 - [1] Interesting. So 'solar engineering' suggests these guys can build or modify stars. Coupled with knowing that Eve's gates are dependent on certain gravitational arrangements of stars... maybe these guys collapsed the Eve gate. Perhaps to seal it behind themselves while 'sleeping' out some long-term condition on the other side. Or maybe they were trying to re-open it.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.05.26 14:43:00 - [2] Drops, I love you. Haven't been this excited about Eve's plot since beta. I have always enjoyed trying to decipher the reasons behind things happening, and trying to figure out what will happen before it happens. It's how I knew Jamyl would come back a year before she did, it's how I knew the Amarr emperor would get popped, etc... and this is just whetting my appetite for more detective work. I'd probably sell my kidney for a few hints of what is to come. Sometimes, I -almost- regret the numerous rule violations that likely prohibit me from seeking employment at CCP and thus being privy to internal plot info. Almost :p
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.06.02 17:51:00 - [3] Maybe we're looking at the wrong thing, when trying to decode the meaning of "Oruze Osobnyk." Many have said that it sounds Russian, or like a Slavic language, and my Polish folks agree that it probably means "armed fort" or "security enclave" - but think about that on its own merit. Our characters aside, the players behind them recognized it as a language of earth. While Drops said that being a Russian speaker wouldn't help, he also mentioned the evolution of languages, and how language morphs over time. If the Sleepers use language from pre-Eve times, then they have a link to those times - something none of the four races really have. The Sleepers can probably trace their lineage directly to the guys who came through the Eve gate. I mean, sure, Gallente swear in "french" but that's just our modern-day approximation of their cheese-eating surrender monkey dialect.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.06.02 20:18:00 - [4] As an addendum to the Takmahl being the Amarr's advanced Jove-allied cousins that mysteriously disappeared, here's another thought: in contemporary Eve times, there's another similar group - extracted from its empire, sequestered away from their kin, and granted access to seemingly ultra-advanced technology; tech powerful enough to take out CONCORD and run roughshod through imperial borders... the Thukkers. Who happen to have positive standings with two entities - the Republic... and the Jove. So now these Jovians are showing a modus operandi. A pattern of repetition. They divvy up our species into subcultures, accelerate their advancement, perhaps even establish basic social order via angelic visitation that incinerates anyone too close, or other forms of gentle nudging... but overall, the Jove allow the early humans' environment to shape them, to obtain some valuable quality out of evolution that the Jovians themselves want to recapture. For the Amarr, the quality is probably faith. The Caldari, cooperation/interaction. Gallente, individuality, Minmatar, the desire for life and freedom. Look at Malaetu Shakor, who got taken by Joves. He is a prime example of Minmatar freedom fighter, and likely got awarded secret Jove-vision despite his blindness as a reward for lying still and letting the Joves poke him. I'm not sure whether the Joves themselves cause the four races to crash into each other intentionally, to control the overall population, (one guy did say the Minmatar "fell too soon" as though their fall was already planned, just not yet) ... or if they are trying to battle some malicious outside force causing the empires to go to war. But before those lesser empires fall to an inevitably synchronized cataclysm, the Jovians select the best examples of natural selection, and whisk them away to Joveland. Each time this happens, the Jovians undergo a massive shift themselves, forming a new empire - perhaps, I suspect, due to rapidly integrating those best examples' genes, traits, and precious bodily fluids into their own racial makeup. I imagine they do this to buffer the havoc being wreaked on their current bodies by tens of thousands of years of evolution into weird and horrible post-human things, through life in space, around high tech, and on alien worlds. Their ships look like weird amalgams of stuff, supporting this, as does their addiction to any information about the lesser races. The Jove are trying to stay roughly human, growing subcultures of humanity from scratch to have a hardy stock of delicious genes with which to refresh their own advanced and evolving form. However these subcultures inevitably destroy themselves somehow in an orgy of disease and death, whether through advancing technologically faster than they can biologically... or by becoming advanced enough to encounter a sort of hidden, species-ending "landmine" left either by the Joves, or their technologically flawless antagonists. This landmine, perhaps an all-destroying contagion (kyonoke?) or perhaps an insane artificial intelligence (drones?), perhaps something in the middle (sansha?) is implanted into early human technological fascination. This landmine emerges, and is designed to wipe out whatever the hell is alive. Perhaps the Jovians don't care about the culling, or perhaps their attempts to cull the best of us are an attempt to continue the line. Either way, the Jovians in this incarnation are dying off from the Jovian disease, which has taken the form of depression. Possible antagonists to depression: faith, cooperation, individuality, and freedom. Holy crap. I just blew your mind. Empire four is about to happen, the kill-switch is being hit, and we're all gonna die. Except for me. And some hookers. And my puppies.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.06.02 20:35:00 - [5] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 02/06/2010 20:46:30 Check out this bit from Theodicy. It's right at the top, which is where we writers put subtle hints to torture you with - I enjoy this style of writing and practice it as well: Originally by: Theodicy ôI will tell you how this madness is born: A man peers over the edge of chaos, into the event horizon, where light can never escape. Then he turns and sees the remnants of his shattered life, of what was taken from him without pause or remorse. The soul decides, because the man is already dead, and it craves chaos for this purpose: To kill the god who did this to him.ö - The Thukker Testament, excerpt from Volume III What this tells me, is that the Thukkers were enlightened to the "grand truth of the universe" and it touched them enough to write a testament about it. You don't just write a testament on the john, it's pretty serious business. The Thukkers saw one of two possible things: 1. That the Jovians were soulless mutants, shells of humankind creating creation itself in an effort to inject themselves with vitality (vitrauze?) while simultaneously battling technology they themselves created, that all of humankind almost surrendered to (and all humanity on the other side of Eve DID fall to) 2. Or that the Jovians showed the Thukkers the horror unfolding beyond the Eve gate, and thus the two were allied. Either's possible. The final battle will be the decision whether to cross Eve and become a robot, or stick around and remain meat! Here's something else to blow your mind: The Sleepers are probably the most tech-advanced and tech-savvy of the four previous races, and dabble in cryogenics. The Caldari are probably the most tech-advanced of the four present-day races, and come from a frost-ball with an 8000-year history gap.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.06.25 16:44:00 - [6] Maybe the Seyllin event blew away a number of stars that the Sleepers were depending on for power. Maybe that's why they're waking up. A mirror could be a part of some kind of radiation collection dish, and there are multiple...
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.07.28 15:22:00 - [7] Originally by: DmD666 Originally by: Ripi Please Dropbear, this has been the longest you've ever stayed quiet. Please at least give us some cryptic hint to point us in the right direction. I dont know how many more unrelated tangents we could possibly go down. I actually put in a petition asking Dropbear to post and Zymurgist said he would past it along to Dropbear. There's only one way to summon a Dropbear. slathers thread in vegemite
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.08.15 17:17:00 - [8] I'd like to know more about this Yan Jung stuff.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.08.23 18:03:00 - [9] Another tangent: Many become one, when one becomes four. From the Macaper prophecy chronicle. It's always bugged me. I first thought "one becomes four" referred to the four empires. With recent events, we can guess that the Jovian third empire is dying. We also see "many becoming one" - Sansha's abductions.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.08.28 00:38:00 - [10] I think we're being beaten over the head with hints, hidden across a bunch of chronicles and other stories. Let's boil down some of the subtle hints into directions, and start following them. Vitrauze project. Character goes through wormhole in vitrauze, finds sleeper mirror, somehow ends up dead. Possibly killed herself to dump her clone data into the sleeper data stream, suggested in Anoikis. I want to explore but oddly I can't probe. Anyone tried finding a wormhole in vitrauze?

Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.08.29 12:36:00 - [11] I don't think it's gonna be lagrange points. I figure it's just a matter of going deep enough into the WH network. Check this quote from the Eve wiki about wormholes: Quote: Secondly, the wormhole might lead to an area of undiscovered and uncharted wormhole space (or ôw-spaceö). There are six levels of wormhole space, graded from 1 to 6. Class 1 to Class 3 wormhole space can connect to known, or k-space, as well as other w-space. Class 4 to Class 6 wormhole space connects to w-space areas. So far, no one has found w-space extending more than five wormholes from an exit wormhole to k-space. So far, huh... I bet there's a system we haven't found yet, one we're meant to find eventually though. It's gonna be six systems deep from empire.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.08.29 16:25:00 - [12] Hmm. I wanna go to a mirror. Anyone going exploring, that'd take me along?
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.08.29 20:48:00 - [13] Well, I guess that concludes that mystery
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.09.08 17:38:00 - [14] The Jita 4-4 chron feels like it's narrated by Dropbear himself: Quote: Perhaps I've been moving too fast. Perhaps I've not explained enough for you yet. You don't really understand where we are, what made it possible, or even what a capsuleer is. You certainly won't appreciate what happens next until you grasp a few basics, and you're far from that. Well, that would be my intention, yes. But this is how I started out, you see. I'm not about to give you any advantages. Take it from someone who actually became a capsuleer, from someone who knows more than enough, that we all begin here û drowning in the deep end, trying to make sense of these things. Jita 4-4 is a good place to start. It's designed to disorient you. If you can start to make sense of it, though, you will start to understand a great deal. But try to understand, also, that I won't make this easy on you, for the simple reason that it wasn't easy on me. Really getting that "beaten over the head with hints" feeling...
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.09.08 18:01:00 - [15] Hmmmmmm... maybe, the problem is that we have clones. Even crappy default clones, assuming we don't buy a better one, will still end up back in empire. Maybe we're supposed to biomass near a Mirror? :p
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.09.08 19:11:00 - [16] Well, he's not just a capsuleer, he's a blood raider on top of things. I think that's what he was referring to with "his own kind."
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.09.08 19:24:00 - [17] This line bugs me too: Quote: She seems genuinely interested in the idea. Whether because of its potential or historical application, I can't tell. Potential or historical application... So, C3-FTM has a historical application. That's to facilitate mental compartmentalization in capsuleers. What's the "potential" application? Do we have to kill ourselves near a mirror while slathered in C3-FTM?
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.09.10 15:41:00 - [18] Oh yeah, we've figured they were infomorphs for a while now. At first I actually suspected that Sansha was somehow being manipulated into kidnapping fleshies and donating their bodies to the Sleepers, whose own bodies decayed to dust millenia ago, so they could take another crack at corporeal existence.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.09.12 18:59:00 - [19] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 12/09/2010 19:00:47 Hmm, interesting... some of the Talocan items seem to indicate a hybrid Sleeper/Talocan technology being present. Originally by: Talocan Document In some rare cases, the shielding systems on Talocan facilities were constructed using a harmony of Sleeper and Talocan designs. The first successful production of a shield boost amplification node drew heavily upon early study of this particular combination. I had assumed that Sleepers and Talocans were two separate empires, separated by eons. Could the Sleepers have been trying to research/adapt Talocan technology? Another brainstorm: "Tlalocan" is the first level of heaven in Aztec myth. Jove, jovian = jupiter, aka zeus, aka god. Now, taking what we noticed earlier about the Apotheosis shuttle (its structural resemblance to many Sleeper buildings, i.e. the circles and rays)... We can establish a vague 1-2-3 sequential connection between Talocan, Sleeper and Jove. Talocans came first, named after heaven. Sleepers came second, apparently trying to recover Talocan technology; perhaps, recapture something that was lost. Their structures resemble SOCT ships, which we can surmise to be obsolete Jovian designs. SOCT is obviously Jovian in origin... and we have our sequence of events.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.11.01 22:53:00 - [20] Originally by: Calathea Sata Edited by: Calathea Sata on 01/11/2010 22:49:15 Perhaps a bit different from what you all are looking at now, I made this little drawing of how the WH space might be formed during the exploration stage of the Sleepers. It's posted as an IC comment over there at IGS. Edit: sorry to have revived this old post, was meant to reply in "Possibly new hidden sleeper info found at sites." but I had too many tabs opened up and I fail at hand eye coordination. "This is a spiral we're in; a long wave undulating in one constant direction without ever crashing on the shore. Listen."

Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.11.03 04:06:00 - [21] Originally by: Auwnie Morohe It was another lead from W-space that lead me to the Fermats spiral. Sorry about the vagueness but it is big lead that nobody seems to see so probably a dead end. Funnily enough it got strengthened in Jita 4-4 but then again I have a habit of seeing things that arent there. I saw the same thing.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.11.20 20:03:00 - [22] Originally by: Amann Karris Originally by: Aedeal I think we can work out from this something: Amann has never been to W-Space proper or read the Whiskey docs. Try them, they are pretty handy. Do me a favor; don't assume you know anything about me. Because you're wrong. On both counts. Done with the ad hominems now? Now, the title of this thread is "Sleepers instead of Rogue Drones?" Quote: And Umega: Someone with sense! Let's please work with facts we are presented, not dive off the side along routes that start with the same name. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1261656 http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1416225&page=1 What I've been suggesting is to look at the evidence presented, and where possible, corroborating information with other sources. Is it useful to start with information from other sources? Not really. Start with what's in-game. Back it up with in-game information, and then look elsewhere. What are the links to the Jove? Where is there mention of Enheduanni? Present the evidence you see as supporting your theories. "What if" arguments are not proof. Answering a question with another question is not proof. But seeing as how I obviously don't know what I'm talking about, have fun guys! No need to get all ruffled. I think we're trying to understand the universe, rather than just this thread title. Everything in Eve feels connected, and we're trying to understand the way it works together, and this just happens to be the first thread where a bunch of people got to talking about it - it's like reading a really big book, and guessing what'll happen in the next chapter.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.11.28 13:39:00 - [23] We are all growing quite hungry.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.12.02 18:13:00 - [24] Originally by: Amann Karris Threaded Waypoint Map Ancient Coordinates Database Now the question is, is it up to one of us to put these, and other pieces, together in some actual physical fashion? Or a mere matter of time before more plot unfolds...
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.12.03 00:00:00 - [25] Originally by: Amann Karris Well, you could always take a Threaded Waypoint Map, an Ancient Coordinates Database, a Sleeper Data Library, a Neural Network Analyzer, a Sleeper AI Drone Nexus, and a Zephyr; Go to a Mirror; and see what happens. Probably nothing, but never hurts to try. You also might want to make sure you don't fire on the locals, but make sure they're there. Might be worth a shot. http://www.eveonline.com/background/potw/default.asp?cid=13-07-09 Which is why the Zephyr is a really, really good idea. ;) I've been trying to find a mirror for a while. No luck yet.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.12.06 00:00:00 - [26] Sigh... so much for that mystery :F
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.12.15 15:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Pesets Blood Stained Stars Arc was introduced in Apocrypha, iirc. I was under impression that it was meant to have occurred after the wormholes started appearing. As for Rogue Drones looking like Sleeper Drones... well, they could look similar simply because they were designed by the same people, i don't think it's sufficient evidence in and of itself. According to the chronicle, Rogue Drones came to being when some Gallente engineer had a "bright" idea of creating combat drones with AI bordering on self-awareness. It would appear that he invented them on his own. One could of course speculate that he might have actually based his invention on something else, but i can't think of any direct evidence to support that. Well, there also is another peculiar chronicle about those things, which suggests that at least some of them may need organics to fix themselves. Though honestly i can't tell if that chron was written to be informative, or simply to relish the creepy grimdarkness of the Eve universe. Not to mention two (extremely well-written, I'd say) chronicles in E-ON Magazine that suggest there's a rogue drone out there with specific interest in mankind's meaty bits and wetware.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.12.18 00:18:00 - [28] Sure gives me a lot to think about.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2010.12.18 02:35:00 - [29] Originally by: Deceiver's Voice Edited by: Deceiver''s Voice on 18/12/2010 00:35:19 Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Sure gives me a lot to think about. Finally: How do you think Gariushi got the Rogue Drones to do his bidding? ;) Considering Occam's Razor, what would be the most obvious place to look? The experts on drones. The Gallente? Crielere? Duvolle? Originally by: Deceiver's Voice Edit: To make this an easier one, the hint is in The Great Harvest. It is spelled out quite succinctly. I hate when I can't spot the easy hints.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2011.01.06 00:01:00 - [30] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 06/01/2011 00:01:29 Interesting... maybe I could pull something together. edit: Anyone live in a hole with a Line site?

Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2011.01.20 17:20:00 - [31] Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu on 20/01/2011 17:23:22 So. Talocans are pioneers. Sleepers were researching Talocans. Talocans had a disease deadly enough to the Sleepers to set up quarantine areas for it, but overall the Sleepers appear to be a more advanced culture picking over the bones of an older culture. Sleepers were also gathering Terran artifacts. Jovians today are keeping Terran artifacts cloaked from our sight. It's starting to look more and more like Talocans = first empire, Sleepers = second empire, Joves = third. I'd love to get a crack at wormhole J235456 and that Sleeper archive terminal that nobody seems to have opened yet. I'm betting the Yan Jung are the ancestors of the quasi-Asian bloodlines in Eve, and Takmahl are proto-Amarr.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2011.01.21 00:27:00 - [32] Originally by: Deceiver's Voice Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu It's starting to look more and more like Talocans = first empire, Sleepers = second empire, Joves = third. I'd love to get a crack at wormhole J235456 and that Sleeper archive terminal that nobody seems to have opened yet. Wait, WHAT!? What what, I'm just batting ideas around :p
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2011.02.15 14:52:00 - [33] Originally by: Kybernetes Moros One thing that has been playing on my mind is the allusion to 'something we [the players] need to do to drive the story forward', or words to that effect. On the off-chance that Dropbear or whoever else reads this and decides to answer, is this an actual in-game action or sequence of actions that needs to be done, or is it a revelation that is to be reached on threads like this one -- or, indeed, a combination of the two? I can understand why you'd want to keep the details of what needs to be done under wraps so as to not spoil the surprise, and hell, I agree with that for the most part, but it seems to me that as it stands no-one is really sure what should be done, if anything. And hurry it up before we start going into withdrawals! Istvaan attempts to gnaw off own hand at the wrist
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2011.02.16 17:24:00 - [34] Originally by: CCP Dropbear Originally by: Lancashirian I really hope CCP throws us a bone soon. I don't want to get ahead of things here, especially as things are still in the pre-approval process but yeah, new developments for this are on the horizon. More information will provided once things solidify into approved plans. SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2011.02.18 14:18:00 - [35] Originally by: Jowen Datloran Originally by: CCP Dropbear Dropbear sounds I read this as confirmation of my suspicion, that the Sleeper story will not progress (or unravel its mysteries for that matter) until CCP decides it is time to. That is fine with me. It just a shame you are hoaxing people into foolishly believing they stand any chance of 'solving a mystery' when key elements of the puzzle are being hold back. And no, allowing people a glimpse of the corner of one of the missing pieces do not count as providing a clue players can work with; it is just teasing and only leads to wild speculations which cannot be verified or even rejected. Of course, having people go on insane speculations might be fun when YOU know what the mystery is about, but there is no game to it for others. No investigation mystery solving puzzle game, no interactive story telling. Relax, G. No-one is hoaxing anything. I love the implication that I don't know something yet. It's what keeps me coming back to Eve. Tbh, the only thing.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Rogue Drone Systems	Posted - 2011.02.28 18:46:00 - [36] Originally by: Aedeal TBH you're fighting over utterly nothing at all. One is just a more poetic way of putting it. Oh, and Jovan, I think if you re-read, the code-reprogramming routine wasn't created or given to the ship by the blood raiders, it came from the 'friend' of the blood raiders - whoever that is. Dagan, I think. From the SoE arc.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Rogue Drone Systems	Posted - 2011.03.01 15:57:00 - [37] Originally by: Auwnie Morohe Reread "1" and found some things interesting. Isnt this the second time the Sisters want to own some piece of destructive technology for the good of man. Black mountain. Quote: mechanical god, dead or dreaming Why is it that holy men in New Eden turn out to be decidedly unholy? Parallels with reality, I suppose :F

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